Should we critique where there is heresy?

(For the Introduction, read it here.)

 

Does what you say matter? Are your words of value or importance?

 

I’d like you to think about this. Can we ascribe any weight to words or the people behind the words?

 

I would like to think so! Otherwise I have no reason to talk or to expect anyone to listen to me. When I look at history, I find that this is most certainly the case that words do matter. When we elect a president of the United States, we do so mostly based on words (promises) spoken. We follow authors, speakers and preachers because we like what they say or how they say it (style). Whether for good or evil, nations and thousands of people are led one way or another by words, just look at Hitler for example. And it is their words that tell us something about who they are. Words, among other things, are someone’s ideas verbalized; the origin of words spoken is with the person who speaks them. What someone says is a window into his or her beliefs, heart and personality. Agree?

 

So why is this important? And, how is this relevant to me (our favorite post-modern question!)?

 

A few weeks ago a young evangelical tweeted, “Rarely critique people, even if you think their ideas are heretical. People are eternally more valuable & treasured by God than their ideas.”

 

This tweet is not just a random, thoughtless belief. Rather, I have been reading this kind of rhetoric and sensing this attitude for quite sometime among many in the young so-called evangelical camp. This tweet is a great, concise example of the idea looming that there is a dichotomy between people and their words. I remember reading a blog once where the author wrote a response to all the criticism she had been receiving about something she said. She was complaining that in their critiques people were missing that she was a good person. She was in fact a different person than what her ideas portrayed her as. What she said was thus different from the person she was.

 

This is an Enlightenment idea, and it is a dangerous idea to hold as it relates to truth.

 

Let’s look at this tweet closer, not to pick on the person who tweeted it, but because, again, it serves as a great and concise example of what is being said and taught by many others. So here it is again:

“Rarely critique people, even if you think their ideas are heretical. People are eternally more valuable & treasured by God than their ideas.”

 

Questions raised:

1. Are our personhood/identity and our words/ideas two complete and different entities? According to her, they are. She makes a dichotomy between someone’s ideas and his or her personhood. It does not matter what someone says, even if it is heresy, because of their value to God. What someone says and thinks can stand apart and alone from who the person is, and who we are trumps what we say and think. How can she make this case?

First we must ask, What is heresy? Heresy, in church history, was a word used to describe those who subscribed to beliefs contrary to orthodox Christian beliefs. I mentioned two examples in a previous post, but will mention them again. There was Arius, who argued that Jesus was not fully God or divine, and then there was Marcion who argued that the God of the Old Testament was not the same God of the New Testament. Marcion wanted to cut out half of the New Testament. These men were called heretics. Modern examples of heretical beliefs are those held by Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, which would include beliefs that contradict the deity and humanity of Jesus and the gospel of salvation that says salvation alone is in Jesus Christ and in his death and resurrection. Heresy thus speaks to ideas that debunk the identity and personhood and work of God as found in Scripture. Heresy is anti-triune God beliefs.

Second, What does it mean to be “eternally valued and treasured by God”? Since this language isn’t used in Scripture, I am unsure as to what she means by this phrase. But if I were to take a guess, it would speak of someone who is a child of God through faith in the resurrected Jesus Christ. The word eternal means forever, so if God holds someone as his eternal treasure then this is someone who will spend eternity with Him. So how can someone who speaks and holds to ideas that are heretical be someone that God eternally treasures? Wouldn’t this mean then that God is comprising or contradicting Himself?

One way this is possible is by believing that what you say and think stands apart from what you believe or who you are in God. Thus your words and ideas do not change the relationship you have with God through Jesus because your words and ideas take a life of their own. The other way this would be possible is if you accept a universal doctrine that says everyone, no matter what they say, believe or do on this earth, will ultimately be restored to God, i.e. obtain salvation. Therefore it doesn’t matter if someone speaks heresy or if someone preaches a different gospel; what matters most to God is that these are people “eternally valued and treasured” by Him.

The problem with this view is that this is not the view of the Bible (not to mention it is self-contradicting). The Bible describes people as complete beings whose words are a mirror of what is in the heart and therefore what one believes. And what one believes affects the way one lives, and the way one lives gives proof whether he or she is a child of God. In Psalms and Proverbs the one who speaks lies and deceit is a fool. The Bible doesn’t say that the person is “eternally valued and treasured by God” even though what they say is destructive to truth. Rather, what they say is an indictment on who they are — fools!

“The wise lay up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool brings ruin near.” Prov. 10:14
“The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.” Prov. 10:18
“The lips of the righteous feed many, but fools die for lack of sense.” Prov. 10:21
“The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable, but the mouth of the wicked, what is perverse.” Prov. 10:32
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.” Prov. 12:22
“A prudent man conceals knowledge, but the heart of fools proclaims folly.” Prov. 12:23
“A wise son hears his father’s instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.” Prov. 13:1
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.” Psalm 19:14
The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’ They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.” Psalm 14:1 and 53:1

Clearly words matter in the Scriptural witness. Does calling someone who speaks lies, deceit, and slander a fool, fit within this belief that we shouldn’t critique someone because they are valued by God? Does calling someone who is wicked and a scoffer fit within this belief? No! I bet if we called someone today a fool or a scoffer because of what they were saying, we would receive public shaming. Scripture’s directness does not fit well in our “politcally-correct” world.

The view of Scripture is that we are complete human beings, whose words reflect what is in the heart and what kind of relationship we have to God. If we speak lies and deceit, if we do not listen to rebuke, if we preach something other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, we are fools and fools do not know God (Ps. 14:1, 53:1).

2. Should Christians critique each other’s words and ideas? According to this tweeter, the answer is no. She commands to “rarely critique” because by doing so we are hurting or contradicting the value and relationship he or she has with God. (Actually by tweeting what she did makes it difficult for anyone to critique her or what she said because then we would be opposing God who values and treasures her above what she says or tweets. And I wonder what situation would allow for a critique since she doesn’t say never but “rarely”?) But what does Scripture say?

Scripture makes clear that it does matter what you say, that it is not OK to speak heresy and that we are to constantly rebuke, critique and reprimand in love when what someone is teaching is not in line with the truth and is leading others astray. Let’s look at a few examples.

  • Matthew 16:21-23. After Jesus told his disciples that he would be killed but on the third day raised, Peter rebuked Jesus. But Jesus turned the rebuke around to Peter and said, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”
  • Acts 13:4-12. While Barnabas and Saul were out preaching the gospel they encountered a false prophet, Bar-Jesus, who “opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.” But Saul “filled with the Holy Spirit” rebuked him and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?”
  • In 2 Timothy Paul mentions two men by name and references others who are preaching different gospels and trying to  deceive others. “Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some” (2:17-18). And later in 3:8, “Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith.” In the middle of these two references, Paul tells Timothy, “And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will” (2:24-26). Although Timothy is to correct in love and kindness, he is still to correct. And these men who are leading others astray, preaching something contrary to the gospel, are captured and enslaved by the devil, doing his will. Just like the two above examples, anytime someone is opposing the work or Word of God by what they say that person is associated with Satan and his work.

There are many other examples in Scripture of correcting, rebuking and “criticizing” the ideas, words and teachings of others that are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ (see the book of Jude and 2 Peter). What this young tweeter says is actually contrary to the teaching of Scripture. So either you can rarely criticize because you believe that everyone no matter what they say is “eternally valued and treasured by God,” or you can offer critiques when necessary because you know that those who claim there is no God (i.e., Jesus isn’t fully God, there is salvation outside of Jesus) are fools and need to be rebuked.

2 Timothy 3:16 says, “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.” And, “Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths” (2 Tim. 4:2-4).

 

3. Does it matter if someone teaches or speaks something contrary to the Word of God, especially when he or she claims to speak as a Christian with biblical authority?

As you read about how Christianity spread after the resurrection of Christ in the New Testament, you will soon notice that it spread as the Word of God went out. Prayers were not necessarily being offered for people to come to know Christ. Rather the prayers in the New Testament centered around the Word of God, that the Word of God might find open doors and go forth (e.g., Col. 4:3-4, 2 Thes. 3:1). For the early church understood that as the Word, which is “the power of God” (1 Cor. 1:18) and “breathed out by God” (2 Tim. 3:16), went forth people would be saved.

So to teach something other than this Word or to contradict His Word is to oppose the One who breathed out the Word and who is the Word.

(For other references about the Word of God going forth or the warnings against false teaching, see Acts 4:3, 29, 31; 6:2, 4; 8:4; 12:24; 13:44, 48-49; Col. 2:8; 1 Thes. 1:5-6, 8; 2:2, 8-9, 13; 2 Thes. 1:7-9; 2:1ff; 1 Tim. 1:3-7, 10-11, 18-20; 6:3-5. This is not a comprehensive list, but rather a sampling.)

 

Concluding thoughts:

Near the beginning of this post I said that the ideas in this tweet are dangerous to hold as it relates to truth. I hope you see now that this tweet, the ideas implied in it and what it represents is a post-modern belief of relative truth. Truth is relative; in fact it is so relative we shouldn’t critique what anyone says or thinks. Truth is not what matters most to God; we matter most to God. There is no place for judgment, exclusion or harshness in God’s love for us.

 

This definition of love, although not new, is spreading like gangrene among many younger so-called evangelicals. I’ve seen it heavily in Rachel Held Evans, for example. (By the way, my husband comments to me that the sermon preached at that liberal church that I mentioned in the Intro., sounded an awful lot like Rachel Evans. She acts as if her ideas are something new, but they are just really old liberalism.) This definition assumes we are lovable and deserved to be loved and nothing can change our standing with God. It is pleasing to the ears and fits well in our post-modern understanding of truth, but it is not the truth. I don’t know if the person behind our tweet knew what she was saying or if she holds to relativism or universalism. But when we accept pithy sayings without thinking through them carefully or when we put together pithy sayings without thinking through them carefully, we can put forth ideas that are contrary to Scripture and that are life-endangering. Relativism and universalism are gospel killers, and we must expose and oppose them when we see them creeping into our churches and greater Christian community.

 

As Christians, we need the greater Christian community to challenge, correct, critique and sometimes rebuke us in order to keep us — all of us (our ideas, words, beliefs, and actions) — in the center of truth. We need to be sharpened, iron to iron, so that the Word of God might go forth unhindered to those in desperate need of the gospel of grace. We need to be wise sons and daughters who submit to correction and rebuke. Let’s not be fools who refuse to listen or to be reprimanded.

 

We also need to resist the urge to say whatever it is we want to say through social media without carefully thinking through it and examining it according to Scripture. We must be aware that social media is a breeding ground for thoughtless, off-the-cuff soundbites that can spread to thousands within seconds with Retweets (RTs) and Modified Tweets (MTs) here and there. Last time I checked, this tweet had many RTs within minutes by people who, without thinking, thought it sounded good.

 

If what we say matters and if we truly believe that our words carry importance, then we must submit to correction when what we say is not founded in truth. We must resist this desire to be able to say whatever we want to say without ramifications or consequences.

 

Rather, critiques, if given and received well, have the potential to protect us from spreading false teaching, from becoming puffed up or conceited, and from error. Positively speaking, critiques help sharpen us, make us better communicators, and protect us from leading others astray. 

 

For in the end, y’all, it’s not about us. It. Is. Not. About. Us! It is about Him and His gospel of forgiveness of sins, and if we are misrepresenting either of these two then let’s stand corrected. Instead of worrying about being valued and treasured, let’s be called the fools we are when we say foolish things so that we might become wise sons and daughters.

8 thoughts on “Should we critique where there is heresy?

  1. michelle says:

    “BAre our personhood/identity and our words/ideas two complete and different entities? According to her, they are. She makes a dichotomy between someone’s ideas and his or her personhood. It does not matter what someone says, even if it is heresy, because of their value to God. ”

    But she didn’t say that it doesn’t matter what someone says. She said that someone’s ideas, even if you think them heretical, and his or her personhood are separate before God.

    Since it does matter very much what we say, shouldn’t we be scrupulously honest, even in debate?

    • kristenrpadilla says:

      Thanks for stopping by Michelle! How are we to know what someone’s ideas are and therefore rarely critique their ideas if it not for words? If ideas stay within the person then the tweet is unnecessary. No one would know that person’s ideas. But we know someone’s ideas because they express them through words.

  2. michelle says:

    I haven’t said anything about whether or not we can know another’s ideas or whether we should, or should not, base our criticism on their words. Instead, I pointed out that you had mis-stated the tweet in question.

    You say that the original remark is contrary to the teaching of Scripture, but I don’t think you’ve made that case. What the author said was 1) rarely criticize another and 2) our value to God is greater than that of our ideas.

    God did not give his Son to save our ideas.

    Moreover, Scripture certainly doesn’t prompt us to frequently criticize others. In fact, I’d say that if criticizing others is something we desire to do, then we’ve missed the boat on living in Christ.

    On the other hand, I must agree with the scriptural-ness of occasionally criticizing another, because here I am criticizing you 🙂

    I also agree with you very strongly on the importance thinking about our words before we share them. Social media tempts us to idiocy more than ever. And we were pretty tempted before!

    • kristenrpadilla says:

      Hi Michelle,

      As I said in the post, words and ideas are inextricably linked. What are ideas if not words? And what are words if not to convey ideas? So I don’t think I misstated the tweet; rather, I tried to show that ideas aren’t just abstract, disembodied things but concretely expressed in what we say.

      Perhaps in Christian circles we tend to criticize too much especially on secondary matters such as worship style or baptism. And I do think we should be slow to anger and resist a critical spirit. In fact I do not argue that we should always criticize. However, I must ask, How often is rarely? What is seldom? I do not see in Scripture a number being put to how many times you are to rebuke or correct (or negatively put, how many times not to correct); rather, Scripture gives the kinds of situations and things done and said that deserve a rebuke or correction.

      The problem I had with this tweet and similar things I have read and heard is that the ideas are qualified as that of heresy. These aren’t just any ideas she speaks of but she extends them to heresy. As I read Scripture, heresy should always be rebuked and corrected.

      So my two questions I put forth to you is this:

      1. What does it mean to be valued by God? What is the definition that you use?
      2. Can you point to Scripture references that back up the idea that we should rarely criticize because God values us over our ideas? In fact can you point to any Scripture that talks about human beings as being separate from our ideas?

      I would disagree with you that God did not give his Son to save our ideas. I would say that God did not send His Son to save our ideas alone but that He sent His Son to save all of us, including our ideas. In the world of the Bible it is assumed that a person is whole (heart, soul, and mind). God doesn’t save my heart but not my head. God doesn’t save my soul but not my heart. My head and heart and soul affect one another and make up who I am. What I think and what I believe are linked. Therefore, in the redeeming act of Christ He renews my mind, heart and words so that all of me confesses and believe that Jesus is God and he died and rose from the dead.

      Thanks for the dialogue! I believe that this kind of dialogue is important for the Church and Christian life — to think critically through issues and to be challenged. I appreciate your challenges and critiques. But as you don’t think I’ve made my case nor do I think you’ve made yours in your response. I welcome any more feedback and look forward to continuing the conversation if you would like. Thanks! 🙂

  3. michelle says:

    “As I said in the post, words and ideas are inextricably linked. What are ideas if not words? And what are words if not to convey ideas? So I don’t think I misstated the tweet; rather, I tried to show that ideas aren’t just abstract, disembodied things but concretely expressed in what we say.”

    But the blogger didn’t say that ideas were abstract, disembodied things. She said “Rarely critique people, even if you think their ideas are heretical. People are eternally more valuable & treasured by God than their ideas.”

    In other words, she said was that we are more than our ideas, and God values us as more than just our ideas.

    You seem to keep arguing against points she didn’t make.

    Yes, our heart and mind and sould make up who we are. Which, again, seems to have been the bloggers point – that we are more than just our ideas. We are not SEPARATE from our ideas, but we are MORE THAN our ideas.

    So, why not deal honestly with what the blogger actually said, rather than setting up these straw men?

    • kristenrpadilla says:

      What you quote from me above is in response to your comment, “But she didn’t say that it doesn’t matter what someone says. She said that someone’s ideas, even if you think them heretical, and his or her personhood are separate before God.” Therefore I explain that it doesn’t matter that she doesn’t use the word “words” or “says” in her tweet because it has to be implied in order for ideas to be critiqued at all. I didn’t say that the blogger or tweeter said ideas were abstract, but that if you do not accept the premise that words and ideas are inextricably linked then you leave ideas as “abstract, disembodied things.”

      You still didn’t answer my above question about where this idea that God values us more than our ideas is found in Scripture. If you could prove it Scripturally, it might be more effective in convincing me that I got it wrong in my blog.

      To have a straw man argument you must completely misrepresent the argument being made by the person. I get that her argument, as stated, is that she thinks God values us more than our ideas — and I reject it. In fact I am not sure that you understand the argument or perhaps you are changing on what she says because in the above quote from you you say, “She said that someone’s ideas, even if you think them heretical, and his or her personhood are separate before God.” But now you say, “We are not separate from our ideas, but we are more than our ideas.” Which is it?

      Either way, I cannot see the argument that God values us more than our ideas as supported by Scripture. What I try to do in my blog is to talk about the implications of what she says as it relates to truth and the Church, which cannot be limited to just 140 characters. And, if you follow the argument to its logical conclusion, then human beings are dichotomized. How can we be valued above our ideas unless our ideas don’t matter or take a life of its own? It would be like saying, God values you above your body. Or God values you above your heart or what you believe. Or God values you above your mind or what you think. Or God values you above your soul. Or God values you above what you do (which is what I heard preached at a liberal church in Cambridge a few weeks ago. It doesn’t matter what we do, God loves and values us anyway and we will all go to heaven in the end. See here: https://kristenrpadilla.com/2014/07/20/a-fool-says-there-is-no-god-and-many-other-things-an-intro/) But if you think that God can value us above our ideas then, to be consistent, you would have to accept these other statements.

      Again what bothers me the most is that the word heretical is used. I don’t know if that word doesn’t bother you or if you don’t understand the full meaning of heresy, but it is a very serious thing to speak or believe. It undermines the identity and work of Jesus Christ. It is blasphemy. And I am confident that the Church should silence it when it is spoken.

      In the end it seems that we keep speaking in circles around each other. Reading back over your comments, it looks like to me that it bothers you that I don’t stick to precisely what she says, that, according to you, I am adding words into her mouth. Rather I keep trying to explain that I am looking at the implications of what she says and am trying to follow her argument to its logical conclusion. So perhaps it would be best if I just said this: I think Scripture teaches we are always to critique, or more strongly put, to rebuke and correct, where there is heresy. And that Scripture doesn’t support this idea that God values us over or more than our ideas. (See Scripture references used in blog.) Does this help?

  4. michelle says:

    SUre it bothers me that you don’t stick to what she says. When we go too far in deciding what the other guy really meant beyond what he said, we’ve slipped into lying. I think you’re going a little too far.

    You said this “…you say, “She said that someone’s ideas, even if you think them heretical, and his or her personhood are separate before God.” But now you say, “We are not separate from our ideas, but we are more than our ideas.” Which is it?”

    I can see where that might be confusing. Let me restate my point. I might say that my personhood is not limited to my bodily existence. While my personhood is not separate from my bodily existence, I am more than my bodily existence. In the same way, I am more than my ideas. I would say that my personhood is more than my behavior. All these things are part of my personhood but are not my personhood.

    I would also say that God treasures me as more than my bodily existence.

    Also, not to speak for the blogger, but I get the idea that she’s talking not about real heresy, but about the HUGE list of heresies that we like to pronounce upon each other. Not to withhold criticism of real heresy, but to hesitate to criticize everything you think is heresy, because you are sometimes wrong.

    I don’t know how to ‘Scripturally’ prove that our personhood is more than our mind – or body or actions. It’s one of those self-evident things that are just, well, common sense.

    I would just recommend that maybe, if you find criticizing someone to be super important (not saying you do, but if we’re honest, we all fall into that sometimes), you stop and think about why that is, and how that drive to set someone else straight reconciles with 1 John 4. If your sister is living in love, then she’s living in God – and He’s living in her. We probably should be slow to criticize someone in whom God is living.

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